In episode 15 of her podcast, the American foley artist, author of the book “The Foley Grail” and university lecturer Vanessa Theme Ament talks to the professor and director of the film “Making Waves – the art of cinematic sound” Midge Costin about film schools, about the fact that all film courses have the word “visual” in their name, but hardly anyone seems to know the word “aural”. They talk about what really counts in training to become a sound editor: the philosophy of sound, the depth, the power of storytelling with sound and about what interests the students – namely the unimportant… and, as always, it is about so much more